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Monday, October 09, 2006

LoWV Debate: Knee Jerk Summary

Webb wins in a walk again! Webb clearly has a better command of the issues togoalong with his superior positions on those issues.

Paraphrased summary with [my comments] follows:

Opening statements:

Allen wants to talk about issues that matter. [Now is as good as any time to start, "Senator".]

Rolls out record as Governor and plans he had introduced in the Senate. [What have you actually done in the Senate, "Senator"?]

Allen says Warner loves him, Hillary and Kerry love Webb and taxes.

Webb = taxes

Allen = trust free enterprise [That explains the massive oil company tax cuts.]

Webb opening statement: What Allen said about taxes isn't true - George Allen raised taxes.

10% of fortune 500 don't pay taxes, wages are going down. We are in a life and death struggle but the leaders won'’t send their children to fight.

We have the best hospitals in the world but 45 million Americans don't have insurance, medical prices are going up.

We should not work for the top 1%, but for working Americans.

Moderator questions

Q1: Warner said we need to reassess Iraq. Doyou think we need to stay the course?

Allen: BE AFRAID OF TERRORRISTS. Victory, not defeat. Must persevere.

Webb: Republicans are shifting away from theorists [Cheney] to realists [Warner] in Iraq. War can't be run by propagandistic phrases ["stay the course", "cut and run"] but by smart strategy. James Baker said: We need a diplomatic solution we need to discuss with Iran [Just like Jim Webb says].

Follow-up: What is victory in Iraq?

Allen: Iraqis take control of their own destiny and can'’t have an oil rich safe haven in Iraq.

Q2: You have said what we should not do, what would you do?

Webb: The Iraq study group has been saying exactly what I've been saying for 2 years, no permanent bases, diplomatic solution, talk to Iran etc.

Strategic withdrawal. We got Zarqawi with troops not in Iraq.

Allen: Withdrawal, retreat will not make America safer. Webb says we are occupiers, I say we are liberators. [In case you were wondering, the Iraqis think we are occupiers. Ingrates.]

Follow-up: How would you define victory in Iraq

Webb: Get a diplomatic solution where you get Iran and Syria to the table. We can get our troops out and have the neighborhood take some responsibility as we did with Afghanistan

Q3: Macaca. N-word. Are these people lying why should Virgnians believe you?

Allen: I apologized for macaca, and the allegations are baseless [from 30 years ago]. Benny Lambert shield.

Webb: I think this has been discussed ad naseum. I had a problem with him singling out someone on my staff. I have the endorsement of the many minority groups.

Follow up: Are these people lying?

Allen: I don't recall using this word.

Q4: Women can'’t fight. Are you 'Born Fighting' for women?

Webb: This article is 27 years old. Allen'’s camp did ads on this. I opened up more billets than any other Navy Secretary in history. Much of my campaign staff is composed of women. I'm very comfortable with the role of women today.

Panel questions:

Q1: Secrecy in our government. How could you help solve this problem?

Allen: Internet good. More info should be online. Obama/Coburn amendment. More sunlight on what'’s going on the better [When have you ever done any oversight, "Senator"]. Bridge to nowhere bad? [What did you do to stop it?] Line item veto for President.

Webb: Very important point. The number of security classifications have skyrocketed. Weakness of lack of oversight by Congress.

Q2: Marriage amendment?

Webb: I oppose this amendment. I oppose this on legal grounds. I don'’t think anyone will have their sacraments taken away from them but people will have rights taken away.

Allen: Family more important than government. Marriage should be between 1 man and 1 woman. Judges want to impose their own elitist views. [Huh?]

Q3: Should tax dollars be used for people who are here illegally?

Allen: Need a fence, detention centers and border patrol. But immigrants are still OK.

Webb: I love how George Allen comes up with my position for me. This administration has failed on immigration. They haven't addressed the situation.

Q4: $8.5 trilion dollar Nationaldebt. Billions are borrowed from social security and the other half from asian banks. Are we secure when we need them to fund our country?

Webb: No. China is our #1 strategic opponent, I've been saying this for years. We want to bring China into the world community but we have too much trade debt and we let them devalue their currency.

Allen: China is bad. Taxpayers bill of rights. There ougtta be this, there oughtta be that... [Why haven't you done any of those things in 6 years, "Senator"?]

Q5: Oil independence. Can something be done to step up development of alternative fuels such as bio-dielsel?

Allen: I'm a strong proponent of oil independence. And more energy grown at home.

Webb: George Allen now has an energy plan. For the last 15 years he has taken $800K from oil companies and given $8B in tax cuts. There is no reason we can't do renewables.

Q7: Affirmative action as state sponsored racism. Do you still believe that?

Webb: AA was a 13th amendment program. It has expanded to include all minorities. It leaves out poor whites. Needs to go back to just blacks.

Allen: I don't care to actually answer this so I'm going to talk about my bull$#!# energy plan. [I'm paraphrasing, of course.]

Candidates ask each other questions.

Allen Q1: Tax relief. Ramble ramble ramble.

Webb: Tremendous migration of wealth to the rich in the last 5 years. We have huge defecits. I want to focus on corporate taxes. 10% of largest corporations don't pay taxes. You can't keep spending like this.

Webb Q1: How can you vote to raise you own pay 4 times and not raise the minimum wage?

Allen: I voted for it 3 times. I voted against the raise in 2005. Death tax, death tax, death tax.

Webb: You have never voted straight up to raise minimum wage. You are misrepresenting how I would vote.

Allen Q2: Dou you agree with terrorist surveillance program, or habeous corpus for enemy combatants?

Webb: We all want to intercept info about national security, there is no oversight and what the administration says goes. We need a government of checks and balances. What is the problem with oversight of the Administration?

Allen: You didn'’t answer habeas corpus? Blah blah blah.

Webb: McCain, Warner have concerns about these programs. We need to make sure that we are in accordance with the Geneva conventions and will our actions will not blowback on our troops. We need moral high ground.

Webb Q: Chicakoo islands are a threat. [This question totally threw me and Allen. however, he is sitting Senator charged with shaping American foreign policy. I am a guy sitting on his couch. I loved watching Allen stand there without a clue. As I said, he is a light weight on foreign policy.]

Allen: It is important issue.

Moderator Q: You had a 16 point lead, now its tied. What happened?

Allen: We got off on things that were not issues. [Unless you count character as an issue.] This campaign should be focused on issues. We'’re focused on issues. [And attack ads, lots of attack ads.]

Webb: George Allen said on Monday he would run on issues and on Friday he ran an untrue negative ad. things changed because people started looking at what I'm trying to do.

Moderator: Should Hastert resign?

Webb: There are leadership questions. How the leadership handles those should have accountability. If the Republican leadership did not live up to the standards of leadership, there should be accountability.

Allen: I find this despicable. I've led the way with this and worked with many people on it [Like Mark Foley].

Closing statements:

Allen: Thanks, suckers! Knowledge and experience really do matter. Having an independent Senator [Wait, is Allen endorsing Webbnow?] who will stand with John Warner and not Hillary Clinton matters. Its your future on the line. [That's why I'm voting for Webb.]

Webb: I look forward to working with John Warner. George Allen is absurd. Virginia voters wil make a decision that has consequences. George Allen is a "blinded supporter" of the Administration 97% of the time and 100% of the time on foreign affairs. For those who identified with Republicans on National Security but never felt comfortble with the rest oftheir policies, I would hope you come home tothe Democratic Party. Power in our society should flow from the bottom to the top. Those in power should speak for those who have no power. Someone who cannot be bought. I would like to be that Senator.

Me: Amen. I would also like you to be that Senator, sir.

Vote Webb.

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Comments on "LoWV Debate: Knee Jerk Summary"


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:52 PM) : 


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honor your encyclopedic/omniscient
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as your revering audience.
As soon as we acknowledge
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must necessarily be ravished with
wonder at His infinate goodness,
wisdom and power.

Please remember to never
restrict anyone's opportunities
for ascertaining uninterrupted
existence for their quintessence.

There is a time for everything,
a season for every activity
under heaven. A time to be
born and a time to die. A
time to plant and a time to
harvest. A time to kill and
a time to heal. A time to
tear down and a time to
rebuild. A time to cry and
a time to laugh. A time to
grieve and a time to dance.
A time to scatter stones
and a time to gather stones.
A time to embrace and a
time to turn away. A time to
search and a time to lose.
A time to keep and a time to
throw away. A time to tear
and a time to mend. A time
to be quiet and a time to
speak up. A time to love
and a time to hate. A time
for war and a time for peace.

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have asseverated about the
world's bestseller:

"I believe the Bible is the best gift
God has ever given to man. All
the good from the Savior of the
world is communicated to us
through this book."
-- President Abraham Lincoln

"For we must consider that we shall
be as a City upon a hill. The eyes of
all people are upon us. So that if we
shall deal falsely with our God in this
work we have undertaken, and so
cause Him to withdraw his present
help from us, we shall be made a
story and a byword throughout the
world." --John Winthrop, Governor
of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, 1630

"It is impossible to rightly govern the
world without God and the Bible."
- President George Washington

"The Bible is no mere book, but a Living
Creature, with a power that conquers
all that oppose it." - Napoleon

"That Book accounts for the supremacy
of England." - Queen Victoria

"If there is anything in my thought or
style to commend, the credit is due my
parents for instilling in me an early
love of the Scriptures. If we abide by
the principals taught in the Bible, our
country will go on prospering and to
prosper; but if we and our posterity
neglect its instructions and authority,
no man can tell how sudden a
catastrophe may overwhelm us and
bury all our glory in profound obscurity."
- Daniel Webster (Founding Father)

"The Bible is worth all other books which
have ever been printed." - Patrick Henry
(original member of the Continental Congress)

"The Bible is the anchor of our liberties."
- President U.S. Grant

"It is impossible to enslave mentally or socially
a Bible-reading people. The principals of the
Bible are the groundwork of human freedom."
- Horace Greeley (Editor)

"That Book is the rock on which our Republic
rests." - President Andrew Jackson

"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible
has never failed to give me light and strength."
- Gen. Robert E. Lee

"Bible reading is an education in itself."
- Lord Tennyson (Poet)

"So great is my veneration for the Bible that the
earlier my children begin to read it the more
confident will be my hope that they will prove
useful citizens of their country and respectable
members of society. I have formany years made
it a practice to read through the Bible once
every year." - President John Quincy Adams

"The existence of the Bible, as a Book for the
people, is the greatest benefit which the human
race has ever experienced. Every attempt to
belittle it is a crime against humanity."
- Immanuel Kant (Philosopher)

"The New Testament is the very best Book that
ever or ever will be known in the world."
- Charles Dickens (Author)

"All human discoveries seem to be made only
for the purpose of confirming more and more
strongly the truths contained in the Sacred
Scriptures." - Sir William Herschel (Astronomer)

"There are more sure marks of authenticity
in the Bible than in any profane history."
- Sir Isaac Newton (Scientist)

"Let mental culture go on advancing,
let the natural sciences progress in
even greater extent and depth, and
the human mind widen itself as much
as it desires; beyond the elevation
and moral culture of Christianity, as
it shines forth in the Gospels, it will
not go." - Goethe (Author)

"I have known ninety-five of the world's
great men in my time, and of these eight-
seven were followers of the Bible. The
Bible is stamped with a Specialty of Origin,
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it from all competitors."
- W.E. Gladstone (Prime Minister)

"Whatever merit there is in anything that
I have written is simply due to the fact that
when I was a chile my mother daily read
me a part of the Bible and daily made me
learn a part of it by heart." - John Ruskin
(art critic and social commentator)

"The Bible has been the Magna Charta of the
poor and oppressed. The human race is not
in a position to dispense with it." - Thomas
Huxley (Author & Scientist)

"The whole hope of human progress is
suspended on the ever growing influence
of the Bible." - W.H. Seward (Secretary of State)

"America was born a Christian nation. America
was born to exemplify that devotion to the
elements of righteousness, which are derived
from the revelations of Holy Scriptures. Part
of the destiny of Americans lies in their daily
perusal of this great book of revelations.
That if they would see America free and
pure they will make their own spirits free
and pure by this baptism of the Holy Spirit."
--President Woodrow Wilson

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Since Christ's miraculous Resurrection
on Easter, more than 2,000 years ago,
Christians have expressed joy and
gratitude for this wondrous sacrifice
and for God's promise of freedom for
the oppressed, healing for the broken -
hearted, and salvation. --President
George W. Bush

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly
or too often that this great nation was
founded, not by religionists, but by
Christians; not on religions, but on
the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this
very reason peoples of other faiths
have been afforded asylum, prosperity,
and freedom of worship here."
--Patrick Henry (original member
of the Continental Congress)

God designed humans to want to
believe in something. That's the
image of God that is in us. But as
G. K. Chesterton famously put it,
when we reject the God of the
Bible, we don't believe in nothing;
we believe in everything -- including
Little Green Men. - - Chuck Colson

I am trying here to prevent anyone from
saying the really foolish thing that people
often say about Jesus Christ: "I'm ready
to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher,
but I don't accept His claim to be God."

That is the one thing we must not say.
A man who was merely a man and said
the sort of things Jesus said would not be
a great moral teacher. He would either be
a lunatic -- on a level with a man who says
he is a poached egg -- or else he would be
the Devil of Hell.

You must make your choice. Either this Man
was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman
or something worse .... You can shut Him up
for fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a
demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him
Lord and God. But let us not come up with any
patronizing nonsense about His being a great
human teacher. He has not left that option
open to us. He did not intend to. -- From
Case for Christianity, by C.S. Lewis

"Let every student be plainly instructed and
earnestly pressed to consider well the main
end of his life and studies is to know God
and Jesus Christ which is eternal life (John
17:3)." - - - The Laws and Statutes of
Harvard College in 1643

"All scholars shall live religious, godly,
and blameless lives according to the rules
of God's Word, diligently reading the Holy
Scriptures, the fountain of light and truth;
and constantly attend upon all the duties
of religion, both in public and secret."
- - - Two central requirements in Yale
College 1745 charter

If you stop believing what your professor
told you had to be true and if you start
thinking for yourself you may come to some
conclusions you hadn't expected. You may
find the Bible makes more sense than you
thought or were told to think. Allow yourself
to be ruined, ruined with regard to what you
always thought could be true. Can you believe
what you don't understand? You and I believe
everyday what we don't understand unless it
comes to the issue of salvation.
- - - Dr. Woodrow Kroll

There is simply no historic foundation for the
position that the Framers intended to build the
'wall of separation' that was constitutionalized
in Everson. The 'wall of separation between
church and state' is a metaphor based on bad
history, a metaphor which has proved useless
as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and
explicitly abandoned. - - - Chief Justice of
the US Supreme Court, William Rehnquist

In 1796 the US Supreme Court issued this
ruling, "By our form of government, the
Christian religion is the established religion,
and all sects and denominations of Christians
are placed on equal footing." Some 57 years
later, after Congress was petitioned to separate
Christian principles from government, in 1853
the House Judiciary Committee issued their
formal report, including these words: "In this
age there is no substitute for Christianity.
This was the religion of the founders of the
republic, and they expected it to be the
religion of their dependents. The great vital,
conservative elements in our system is the
belief of our people in the pure doctrines
and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus
Christ." - - - Dr. Gerald Beavan

"It is the duty of nations, as well as of men,
to own their dependence upon the overruling
power of God and to recognize the sublime
truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and
proven by all history, that those nations only
are blessed whose God is the Lord."
-- President Abraham Lincoln

Trust in yourself and you are doomed to
disappointment; trust in money and you
may have it taken from you; but trust in
God, and you are never to be confounded
in time or eternity. - D.L. Moody

Faith and love are apt to be spasmodic
in the best of minds. Men and women live
on the brink of mysteries and harmonies
into which they never enter and with their
hand on the doorlatch they die outside.
- - GK Chesterton

Best wishes for continued ascendancy,
Dr. Whoami

P.S. Here's some blogs that I found
of interest
as I negotiated my way
through cyberspace:

Every Student
Religion Comparison
Around the Well
Danish Cartoons
Arabic Cartoons
Muhammad or Jesus???
Answering Islam
Is Jesus God?
A Short Look At Six World Religions
God's Word in different languages...
How to become a Christian
Who Is Jesus?
See The Word
Watch The Jesus Movie
Spanish Cartoons
German Cartoons
Chinese Cartoons
Italian Cartoons
Greek Cartoons
Japanese Cartoons
Portuguese Cartoons
French Cartoons
Hindi Cartoons
Russian Cartoons
'Thought & Humor'

Only one of these is amalgamated with me -
can you determine which one??? Tell me
sometime what your thoughts are about
all this:O)


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